Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! 12:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 12:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 12:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 12:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! 01:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 01:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 01:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 01:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! 02:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 02:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 02:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 02:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! 03:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 03:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 03:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 03:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 04:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 04:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 04:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 04:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 05:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 05:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 05:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 05:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 06:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 06:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 06:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 06:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 07:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 07:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 07:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 07:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 08:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 08:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 08:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 08:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 09:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 09:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 09:30am
Diana testing - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 09:39am)
Diana testing - /me
* Diana testing
Diana testing - Great!
Diana testing - /mem
Diana testing - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 09:43am)
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 09:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 10:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 10:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 10:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 10:45am
Doug - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 10:58am)
Doug - Diana come back here, PLS.
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! Sleepybyes for Valkyries!! 11:00am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 11:15am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 11:30am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 11:45am
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! 12:00pm
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 12:15pm
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 12:30pm
Sen - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 12:43pm)
Warren - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 12:44pm)
Warren - Hey Sen! You there?
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 12:45pm
Sen - Hi Boy!
Sen - Everything OK?
Warren - anything new?
Warren - it's doing ok, although my stomach is a little bit upset...I hope I don't get sick
Sen - Nope, I just cant decide between the IBN videos
Warren - IBN? Which ones? who's in it?
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 12:48pm)
Sen - http://fetish.com/rage/clip1.html
Warren - Hey Scooby doo!.. Where's Shaggy and Scrappy doo?
Sen - Dont know if this link works if you dont have VivoActive
Sen - Hi Scoob
Warren - I don't... it just crashed on me
Warren - Yesterday, I just ordered a bunch of Eric Stanton's books...should be interesting
Sen - You can download the plugin : http://egg.real.com/vivo-player/vivodl.html
Sen - I cant find a decision between so much IBN videos
Scooby - Hi kids.
Sen - Can you watch my link scoob?
Scooby - I see the movie but I don't get any sound because I don't have a sound card.
Warren - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 12:55pm)
Sen - Do you like it?
Warren - any of you guys read any of Eric Stanton's books?
Sen - I think a have one book, with 3 storys from Stanton
Warren - which ones?
Scooby - It's okay. I would only like it if the guy got knocked unconscious.
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! 1:00pm
Sen - Sweeter Gwen, may be he´s another Stanton, this is a b/w comic
Sen - http://fetish.com/rage/clip3.html
Warren - Scooby: you might like Stanton's stuff...he has quite a bit of stories with mixed fightings...but most of it it's domination of some sorty
Warren - I have a few of his stories... such a shame he didn't do any stories that involve growth scenes
Warren - Scooby? Sen? are you guys having problems?
Sen - http://fetish.com/fball/clip1.html
Sen - Hey I got this comic with mostly women who are bondaged
Warren - sen: sorry not me... I'm more into towering Amazon with little men stuff
Sen - I got this one only because of some mixed fight scences
Sen - http://fetish.com/fball/fball5.jpg
Warren - There are some fight scenes in the stuff I have, but it's all one sided... the women always wins
Sen - Scoob lost in videos?
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 1:15pm
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:17pm)
Sen - Are there written storys or more like comics?
Scooby - lost.
Warren - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:18pm)
Warren - Both... it's a story with pictures
Warren - well, I'm gonna go now... see you guys later...
Warren - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:21pm)
Sen - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:24pm)
Sen - Have you ever been Knoucked OUT ?
Sen -
Sen - Are you here Scooby?
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:27pm)
Scooby - Nope, never been knocked out. BTW, I ordered "The Mighty Quinn" yesterday.
Sen - hat incomparable ass is for SMOTHERING! How about toys like the riding crop used on the butt AND crotch? Mm, Vera likes that
Scooby -
Sen - lost your type?
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Scooby - My screen is crashing from the picture posts.
Sen - What r u doing?
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 1:30pm
Sen - why that ? no problem for me
Scooby - Must be my computer or server.
Scooby - It's okay if you just post them as links.
Sen - what do u think about the videos ?
Scooby - I haven't received any of them yet. Still waiting for Sonia even.
Sen - Where do you live New Zealand ?
Scooby - United States.
Sen - About the movies I posted?
Sen - When did you order Sonia?
Scooby - They're okay. I don't care for face sitting, it's too fetishy. I like fighting.
Scooby - I ordered Sonia a couple of weeks ago.
Sen - Did you ask Diana about that?
Scooby - Nope. It just usually takes a while.
Sen - If you like fighting: I got one fight from WISC Dominique vs guy, a real wrestling , but no KO
Scooby - I only like KOs. I don't mind facesitting so much if it involves a complete KO.
Sen - I´m used to get my tapes in about 2 weeks !
Sen - So there must be the KO for you ?
Sen - http://fetish.com/glamazon/glam1.jpg
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 1:45pm
Sen - Do you know Montenegro video?
Diana the Valkyrie - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:47pm)
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:48pm)
Diana the Valkyrie - Hi, sen, Scooby
Scooby - Yes, there must be a KO for me. Yes I've heard of Montenegro video.
Scooby - Diana, have you read the latest posts on my message board?
Sen - Hello DIANA !
Diana the Valkyrie - I'll go look.
Scooby - I'm quite concerned.
Sen - I had ( my VCR eat it) one nice video with several KO`s
Scooby - I don't know what to do.
Diana the Valkyrie - Gosh, isn't he kind and helpful
Scooby - At this point I'm tempted to toss in the hat.
Diana the Valkyrie - I thought you said you'd taken advice?
- logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:52pm)
Scooby - I did. I'm not sure when I'm crossing the line though.
Diana the Valkyrie - Well, if it's any comfort, he can't spell "manner"
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Scooby, maybe it's a sign to take up your directors hat
Scooby - This was very very casual advice. completely unofficial. Basically I was just told it was okay if I didn't ask for money.
Diana the Valkyrie - FBB, at least spell it right
Diana the Valkyrie - Creating new material solves the problem, of couse ...
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - How can I spell it right, it aint even a real word
Cartman - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:54pm)
Scooby - I never discussed the fact that this would expand to over 100 people or that I would be asking for some money only to cover expenses such as tape, postage, etc.
Diana the Valkyrie - Yes it is, it means "estimating at nothing"
Scooby - Diana, do you think it would be wise to delete the old Scooby archives for legal reasons?
Diana the Valkyrie - The basis for this web site, is written permission from WPW, who own the copyright on a lot of the stuff I have here
Eric Cartman - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 1:55pm)
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Scooby, I don't think you have a problem unless some uptight type takes offence
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - But I don't know what happens then. I suspect you get a 'cease and desist' warning first
Diana the Valkyrie - Scooby, I'll delete them if you want, but I don't think they'll make any difference
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - But we hear nightmare stories of how litigous you Americans love to be
Eric Cartman - I wouldn't worry Scooby
Scooby - Well I'm very worried.
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Sorry, I can be a real Job's comforter sometimes
Clepsydra - Baby says she's mine, you know, she tells me all the time, you know, she said so. I'm in love with her and I feel fine. 1:57pm
Diana the Valkyrie - Ask Rogin what he thinks
Eric Cartman - PRACTICALLY I don't thikn theres a problem provided you dont get commercial
Diana the Valkyrie - What does "Commercial" mean?
Scooby - How do you define "commercial". Perhaps I'm already there now?
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - People tape music and TV all the time, no problems. Unless someone is looking for a fight to pick, I don't see it
Clepsydra - Tempus fugit 1:58pm
Diana the Valkyrie - Scooby is selling the tapes, FBB, that's a different ballgame
Scooby - How can I prove I'm not making a profit? I've asked $20 for Volume 2. I don't think anyone would have posted anything unless they had a fight to pick.
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! 2:00pm
Diana the Valkyrie - He's a limpwit showing off how clever he is, is my guess
Scooby - What is FBB?
Eric Cartman - Commercial is not being used in a it won't be illegal if you are not way rather I mean the Feds won't kick your door in if you're not. Basically don't run it as a business just charge postage and maybe a tape keep the circle small
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - If he was sued, what are the damages on a low grade scene on tape anyway?
Eric Cartman - I wouldn't keep making tapes
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - FBB is me Scoob
Scooby - Sop stop making tapes?
Eric Cartman - Diana it wasn't me before anybody asks
Eric Cartman - And I wouldn't say he was a limpwit necessarily
Scooby - I just don't know how to do it inconspicuously. There's no point. There's nothing to talk about otherwise.
Diana the Valkyrie - He can't spell "manner", he's a limpwit
Eric Cartman - But let's be clear I think that technically Scoob could be committing an offence, I think that in real terms the chance of anything happening are .00001 but I can't say that nothing could happen
Diana the Valkyrie - And he uses American spelling
Eric Cartman - Di you must know who it is
Scooby - In the past I seem to be attracted to that .000001
Scooby - How did he spell manner?
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Scooby is certainly not tring to pass his clips off as original material, or as the original article either. More sort of a trailer, you think they'd be grateful...
Diana the Valkyrie - "manor"
Scooby - I agree FBB, I certainly doing the industry more good than bad, but that doesn't mean shit in court.
Eric Cartman - Fbb I like the trailer argument, could argue it's a review Scooby chances of civil action are zero, you don't have any money
Scooby - Is it illegal to tape 60 seconds of TV and share it with someone for free?
Eric Cartman - Forget Civil, Criminal that would have to mean the Feds, and there's just no way
Diana the Valkyrie - The trailer argument doesn't hold water
Eric Cartman - Yes I thikn it is, pooint is no one bothers
Scooby - In America we have a pager commercial where a woman is catching a train after working late. She receives a page from her husband saying the kids are better and we taped your favorite TV show, come home. Is that illegal? What's the difference? Okay to tape for relatives but not for friends? If taping things is illegal why are VCR tapes around?
Eric Cartman - No One bothers
Scooby - Where do you draw the line?
Diana the Valkyrie - Quite a lot of people sell comp tapes via web sites
Diana the Valkyrie - Bill Baki's Tall Women tapes are comp tapes, I think.
Eric Cartman - And it is not distribution, I supose, but don't expect an ex tempore opinion on Copyright as it is not something I know off the top of my head
Diana the Valkyrie - And so are some of Liftnet's L&C tapes
Scooby - Diana, are you concerned at all? I mean, this is transpiring on your site.
Diana the Valkyrie - I did think about that. And I decided that you're in the front line, not me.
Eric Cartman - It is illegal in England not to go to Church on Sunday or to go outside your parish, or to stand still on the highway, no one bothers
Scooby - I know that a ton of other people are doing it but for some reason, the law never seems to like that as an excuse. I've tried many times in the past.
Clepsydra - I'm just ticking along 2:11pm
Diana the Valkyrie - And you're a grown-up, and can make your own decisions
Eric Cartman - There's a whole bunch of stuff no one bothers with
Scooby - Don't you think that the Scooby archives are perhaps "evidence" and it may help a little to take them, off the site?
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - But Eric, what do you do when someone starts bothering you?
Eric Cartman - FBB you're right
Diana the Valkyrie - I'll take them off if you ask me to. But the whole Message board too?
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Does that open Diana up to 'attempting to pervert the course of justice' should the unthinkable happen?
Diana the Valkyrie - I'm uner no obligaton to keep any particular data
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 2:15pm
Scooby - I'm not sure about the message board yet. Perhaps that can still be salvaged as a place to "discuss" and "recommend" movies but just not talk about dubbing so blatantly.
Diana the Valkyrie - You can give the title, and the start and end time of the scene
Clepsydra - We talked until two, and then she said, "It's time for bed". 2:16pm
Diana the Valkyrie - I always thought your main concern was Mtrs Scooby finding out
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - If I buy a book or CD, that has a statement of copyright that outlines what I can and can't do with my purchase, where is the same for TV production?
Scooby - Yes, she's a concern too but if I get busted. she will find out also!
Diana the Valkyrie - Well, when you've thought about it, tell me what you want me to do. For example, I could remove the whole of "Scooby's Soapbox" and put up a new Message Board called "Scooby's Second Soapbox"
Scooby - Diana, maybe you could delete the Scooby archives and then delete the current posts #1 through #108
Scooby - Yes, that might be a good idea. I could try to start again fresh!!!!
Diana the Valkyrie - I'd rather do what I just suggested.
Diana the Valkyrie - OK, you want me to do it now, or you want to hthink about this some more?
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - At a practical level, what is Scooby facing if the worst happens?
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Can he be hit for anything harder than the personal embarrasment of the legal dealings?
Scooby - Good ahead and do it.
Michelle - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 2:24pm)
Michelle - Hello-eveyone! How's it going?
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Good evening Michelle
Michelle - Thanks for the giant chocolate egg!
Eric Cartman - Welcome
Michelle - The weather in Missouri has been pretty dangerous this week, we have had tornadoes all around St. Louis.
HardbodyPaul - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 2:27pm)
HardbodyPaul - Hiya's!
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Hey there HBP
Diana the Valkyrie - It's done. I removed Scooby's Soapbox, and I've put up Scooby's Stage
HardbodyPaul - Hi there, Bloke.
Eric Cartman - Tornadoes!!!!
Michelle - O.K. Cartman trying to fool me!
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 2:30pm
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - I don't know, the weather this week reminds me of that Flash Gordon remake of 1980...
HardbodyPaul - It's cold in KC today.
Scooby - Thanks Di!
Eric Cartman - I heard one once in Miami, I was in bed and i heard this noise and I thought hey that's a jet engine in the carpark ...or a tornado, and it was!!
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - 'We're under attack'
HardbodyPaul - I remember that, Bloke. With acid rain and all that, right?
Eric Cartman - Hey I didn't fool you, FBB is a different and probably much nicer guy!!
Diana the Valkyrie - Now, you go post there quick before someone else does.
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Snow in deserts and stuff. We had a blizzard yesterday
Michelle - EC- Did you hear about the 100 car pile up in St. Charles, MO which happened yesterday morning?
Eric Cartman - Anyway tornado missed me
Michelle - EC- Do you have tornadoes in England very often?
HardbodyPaul - Diana, have you received the Sandy video yet?
Eric Cartman - Nooo, How that happen, any of em need a lawyer?
Diana the Valkyrie - Not yet, HBP
Diana the Valkyrie - Why would a tornado need a lawyer?
Michelle - EC-No one was killed in the accident but 36 people were taken to the hospital for injuries.
Eric Cartman - When you've told me that tell me all about your egg was it really giant How Giant?, were there many things inside how many and what, bear in mind that i never saw it, only read descrip on net
HardbodyPaul - Whoa, Michelle! A 100 car pile-up? And to think that I was just driving around on those interstates there in St. Louis two weeks ago. Scary!
Eric Cartman - Very rarely we get tornadoes here and mostly just whirlwinds, nothing like US
Michelle - HP- We have had nothing but bad weather and accidents this week!
HardbodyPaul - Ok, Diana.
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Not enough flat bits
Eric Cartman - WhooHoo Whiplash Whiplash, somebody's gona make a pile up on their own, wish I wuz there
HardbodyPaul - Michelle, sounds like I left just in time then.
Clepsydra - Would you believe in a love at first sight? Yes, I'm certain that it happens all the time. 2:34pm
Eric Cartman - We had snow tho which is a little rare for th time of year
Clepsydra - Time is of the essence 2:35pm
Michelle - EC-the egg was pretty big w/truffles and carmels inside, there was also a brandy filled chocolate and coffee chocolates, unfortunately Scoob didn't get any because my department inhailed all the chocolates!
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Big floods out my way
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - But they vanishes almost as quick as they came, wierd
HardbodyPaul - I believe, Clepsy.
Eric Cartman - Actually saw people toboganning, i ffeel bad for Scoob,
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Recently HBP?
HardbodyPaul - You didn't eat any of the chocalate, Michelle?
Michelle - EC-So what are you up to this weekend? Anything exciting!
Eric Cartman - You know it was a pity you had to share all those with all those girls, I'll have to have your home address to avoid that scenario in the future
Michelle - EC- Are you kidding me, I ate a majority of the chocolates and now I've gained 10lbs!!!!
HardbodyPaul - Yeah, Bloke, I was in St. Louis two weeks ago.
Diana the Valkyrie - Or send enough for all of them
HardbodyPaul - 10 lbs.? Ouch!
Michelle - EC-Next time you send me something I will hide it from them!
Clepsydra - I'm just ticking along 2:39pm
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Yes, St. Louis sounds like the place to have been around then!
HardbodyPaul - I take it that wasn't ten pounds of muscle, Michelle.
Eric Cartman - Oh I dunno maybe I'll go to london I want to go to harrods again I went last week but I was rushing, it is still a great store i forgot how good and I forgot how much I miss London
Michelle - HP-I'll just work it off!
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 2:39pm)
Eric Cartman - Way to Weigh Michelle go on girl you need buildin up
Scooby - Okay I went ot Sue's computer so I can chat at the same time!
Clepsydra - Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana 2:39pm
Michelle - Scooby-Where are you?
Michelle - Scooby your phone is ringing!
Eric Cartman - You need a sturdy ahcnor with all those Tornadoes about
Scooby - Just let it go!
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - wb Scoob
Eric Cartman - GUess What Harrods don't sell Beanies at all!!!! I was amazed!!!!!
Michelle - EC- where in England can you find Beanies?
Scooby - Diana, did you save the last few posts on my board so that people have a clue why this happened?
* FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke still doesn't know what a Beanie is
Eric Cartman - I mean they always said you could get anything there, but not beanies
Diana the Valkyrie - No, the whole thing's gone, you'll have to explain it.
Eric Cartman - M I have found one store in Gloucester of all places, I am scourin the country, have no fear
HardbodyPaul - Yeah, Michelle. We want you "buff"!
Scooby - Diana, did you put any opening remarks?
Diana the Valkyrie - No, I said you would
Eric Cartman - I heard that Woolworths had them but no tthey weren't sellin em where I live
Scooby - 'kay.
Michelle - HP-Not Buff! Just Toned!
Scooby - Scooby is buff.
Eric Cartman - HBP she is buff enuff
Michelle - Scooby-buff - buff!
Eric Cartman - Cartman is Buff (ahem)
HardbodyPaul - Buff can be confused with "toned" sometimes.
Clepsydra - When I find myself in times of trouble, 2:44pm
HardbodyPaul - Got to go now. See ya's.
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 2:45pm
Michelle - See ya HP!
HardbodyPaul - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 2:45pm)
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Could someone explain 'buff', last I heard it meant nude! (I don't think that's what y'all meant tho)
Eric Cartman - M when are you coming to Lpondon to savour it's Imperial Delights
Clepsydra - Q: How many APL hackers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None. There's a primitive for that. (Notes : I don't do APL but I think a primitive is a procedure that is included as a part of the language. You don't have to write code ("hack") to do it.)
Scooby - Cya HBP!
Diana the Valkyrie - Bye, HBP
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - C Ya HBP, Oops, gone already
Michelle - EC-when you send me 2 tickets.
Eric Cartman - Whose the other one for??, Your Mom??
Diana the Valkyrie - I think it's short for "Big Ugly Fat Fucker"
Scooby - Who ya taken Michelle? :-)
Eric Cartman - or your maid?
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Thanks Diana, everything's clearer now....
Eric Cartman - Di Language there are ladies present
Michelle - EC-Scoob of course!?
Scooby - :o)
Diana the Valkyrie - Clepsy doesn't mind
Eric Cartman - Mrs Scoob won't let 'im, never in a thousand years
Diana the Valkyrie - Mrs Scooby will be told it's a fact-finding mission
Diana the Valkyrie - Web design training
Michelle - EC-O.K. I'll bring another girl with me!
Eric Cartman - M if he came you'd have 2 of us catering to your every whim
Eric Cartman - Could you stand that much adulation?
Scooby - :o(
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - Poor Scoby, everyone's picking on you today
Eric Cartman - Well actually I liked the idea of Scooby coming so we could gang up
Scooby - :o)
Eric Cartman - 1 girl is a girl 2 girls are a dangerous mob
Diana the Valkyrie - You could make it a foursome with Mrs Cartman
Eric Cartman - There is no Mrs Cartman, you are soo naughty, Di
Scooby - Mrs. Cartman?
Michelle - EC-I would have to hurt you!
Eric Cartman - There Is NOOOOOOO Mrs CArtman, unless you mean Mom
Michelle - Scooby-I would have to take away your Scooby snacks!
Eric Cartman - errr hurt me, ???????
Diana the Valkyrie - Oh, did she divorce you at last then?
Michelle - EC-o.k. so you would enjoy being hurt!?
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 2:53pm)
Scooby - This is gettin kinda kinky folks.
Eric Cartman - No I was wondering what you meant
Scooby - Michelle, I'm gonna have to get back to work soon.
Eric Cartman - You are 5 1 and accordingly unlikely to do much hurting, but there would be no need your whim is my command
Scooby - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 2:55pm)
Michelle - EC-you know small people pack a big punch!
Scooby - Don't take that Michelle, you could give him a swift kick to the shin.
Eric Cartman - I know you can take one....
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - I gotta go folks, see you around
Michelle - EC-I guess I best be going now, Scooby just arrived and is threatening!
Eric Cartman - I think your punchiong record speaks for itself
FlocinocinihipilificatingBashfulBloke - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 2:57pm)
Michelle - EC-thats right I have experience!
Eric Cartman - (crying and wailing) Dont gooo,
Eric Cartman - BYe Bye
Michelle - EC-did you get the e-mail I sent you thanking you for the Easter candy?
Michelle - EC-Well I better go now, have to get back to work. C-ya all later!!!!
Eric Cartman - Yes and I replied with a funny e mail but I think it didn't get thro!! I could maybe send it again!!
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! 3:00pm
Scooby - Okay she split.
Scooby - I gotta get back to work soon.
Scooby - Diana, thanks for the new message board.
Scooby - I will be discreet this time.
Clepsydra - Time and tide waits for no man 3:01pm
Diana the Valkyrie - I'd suggest you put up an explanation before people start asking
Scooby - Yes, I will as soon as I get my next break.
Eric Cartman - Oh isn't Michelle sweet
Scooby - FYI I will still swap tapes with a select few but it will be much more discreet.
Scooby - At the rate I was going, this was going to be a business soon.
Diana the Valkyrie - Whew, narrow escape there
Scooby - Well I better get back to work Cya.
Scooby - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 3:06pm)
Diana the Valkyrie - bye
Eric Cartman - Diana don't you think M isn sweet?
Diana the Valkyrie - Yes, and I don't think she'd hurt you much
Eric Cartman - I was surprised she said that at all
Diana the Valkyrie - Maybe you don't know her as well as you thought you did
Eric Cartman - Well I don't know her at all
Eric Cartman - we chatted on the phone I have sent her a few gifts etc
Diana the Valkyrie - Yes, I see - Easter Egg
Eric Cartman - I am such a hopeless romantic tho
Eric Cartman - and fortnum,s Simnel Cake
Diana the Valkyrie - Yummy
Eric Cartman - I also sent all of em at the office a selection of English choccies like fry's chocolate cream etc
Diana the Valkyrie - Did you see the posting that got Scooby so worried?
Eric Cartman - Yes I wonder who sent it
Eric Cartman - You must knoe who it was
Diana the Valkyrie - It sounded like you average undereducated lawyer-type, he knew the words.
Diana the Valkyrie - I could find out, maybe, but there's really no point
Eric Cartman - I think the person meant well
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 3:15pm
Eric Cartman - and I think he had a point
Diana the Valkyrie - I get helpful warnings all the time, from "concerned friends"
Clepsydra - Tick tock tick tock 3:15pm
Diana the Valkyrie - The last one, posted it in about 20 of the message boards, to be sure that everyone saw it
Eric Cartman - I have given you a few I think, but that was open,
Diana the Valkyrie - There'll be a firestorm now, you'll see.
Diana the Valkyrie - Oh, the one about Nicole Bass on her horse, yes {{giggle}}
Eric Cartman - What was the lastr warning about
Eric Cartman - what else is there that he might warn against
Diana the Valkyrie - Someone didn't like the Gallery of Cheerleaders.
Eric Cartman - Quite frankly I think any lawyer would tell you by e mail or toherwise openly
Diana the Valkyrie - Doing a public performance, at family-type occasions.
Eric Cartman - Why were they under 16?
Diana the Valkyrie - He was warning me that he thought it was pornographic
Diana the Valkyrie - I have no idea how old they are, does the TV who broadcast the performance find out?
Eric Cartman - You do have to be careful about anything with minors, English Law is going thro a real witchunting phase
Diana the Valkyrie - Fully dressed, in front of a crowd of hundreds of thousands? That's porn???
Eric Cartman - well, you have to bear in mond the context of the site, which is sexual, that's why you don't have under 18's here. Personally I would prefer if no minors were ever featured, it meake me uncomfortable, but it's your site
Diana the Valkyrie - Doing what is essentially an energetic dance routine
Diana the Valkyrie - I cewrtainly wouldn't have minors doing anything naughty. But Cheerleading isn't naughy
Eric Cartman - Why are they on the site tho whi is going to look at them and for ewhat purpose?
Eric Cartman - I mean who
Diana the Valkyrie - They're with the other athletes. People who admire athletes will look at them. For the purpose of looking at them.
Eric Cartman - , well there you go.
Eric Cartman - and here I go, C Ya
Diana the Valkyrie - ttfn
Diana the Valkyrie - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 3:26pm)
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 3:30pm
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 3:45pm
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 4:00pm
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 4:14pm)
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 4:15pm
wb270 - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 4:25pm)
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 4:30pm
Diana the Valkyrie - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 4:32pm)
Diana the Valkyrie - Hello
wb270 - hello
Diana the Valkyrie - hi
wb270 - been working my way through scooby's problems
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 4:45pm
Diana the Valkyrie - Which problems?
wb270 - his copyright problems. I wondered if he weren't being a little reckless
Diana the Valkyrie - Oh, I understand now, by "working" I thought ....
Diana the Valkyrie - He told me he'd had advice from a lawyer
wb270 - just reading you log
wb270 - been reading backwards, or skipping around. Started with EC's comments on cheerleaders
wb270 - what he has been doing, if I understand it, is certainly illegal
wb270 - there is a supreame court decision that lets you make tapes of broadcasts for certain personal uses, essentially time shifting.
Clepsydra - When I find myself in times of trouble, 4:49pm
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 4:50pm)
Diana the Valkyrie - Hi Scooby, we're just talking about you
Scooby - wb, did you make the "concerned onlooker" posts?
wb270 - no, scooby, I didn't. I never even saw the post
Diana the Valkyrie - Any genuine "Concerned onlooker" would have sent you an email
Scooby - Diana, just out of curiosity, do you still have the old archives somewhere or are they deleted for good? Tre was just asking this on the message board.
wb270 - but I have wondered if it were wise to be as open about making your tapes as you have been
Diana the Valkyrie - No, I just deleted them, they're gone for good.
Scooby - wb, I won't be as open anymore.
wb270 - good
Scooby - wb, are you still interested in them?
* Diana the Valkyrie thinks about a Closed Scooby
wb270 - the real problem is nopt that what you are doing is the sort of thing that they usually prosecute
wb270 - wure I am
wb270 - sure
Scooby - wb, could you elaborate on that last comment, you kinda lost me.
wb270 - real problem is that as a result of the net, and other developments like digital video, there is a lot of foment in IP law at the moment
Scooby - Are you saying that what I do is not usually a big deal compared to others?
wb270 - in many areas the law is very murky, so a lot of folks are looking for test cases, to set precidents and make examples. you don't want to become one of those
Scooby - Yes, good point.
wb270 - And DV needs to be a little concerned about various theories of vicarious infringement, that try to hold the ISP or webmaster responsible is if they were a publisher
Scooby - That's why I was asking Diana about this earlier.
wb270 - People are really pushing IP law at the moment, there are some really strange suits going on at the moment, trying to establish points and rights
Scooby - Especially on the internet.
Scooby - I've done a lot of IP presentations for attorneys here so I've been picking up on this.
Diana the Valkyrie - There are some very interesting grey areas.
Kinkster - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 4:59pm)
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 5:00pm
Scooby - Hey Kinks.
wb270 - usually the Feds won't, I believe make a criminal case agaisnt somebody who is not copying tapes commercially, in a fairly big way
Scooby - I guess the bottom line is, I figured my message board would be sacred.
Kinkster - Hey Scoob!
Diana the Valkyrie - There's a few web sites selling comp tapes, you know
Victim - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:01pm)
wb270 - but if you're promoting it on the net, and there is a pretty good record on the BB and the logs here, and somebody thinks that you would make a good example....
Victim - hi, all
Kinkster - Nothing's sacred any more, Scoob.
Diana the Valkyrie - Hi, victim
Scooby - I mean, to find out about this, you gotta go to Diana's site. Then go to Diana's clubhouse. then go to Diana's message boards. Then go to my message board. Then be interested enough to read a bunch of them. If you've gotten that far, surely you're just a fan like me and not the FBI or something.
wb270 - I suppose that tere are DV, and they are probably more likely to be picked as an example
Diana the Valkyrie - I think a lot of people might see "Concerned Friend" as the guy that killed the Golden Goose
FanBoyBlues - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:02pm)
Scooby - Hi victim and fan boy.
Victim - hi, shy
Kinkster - I don't think "What were you doing looking there anyway?" would stand up as a defence, Scoob.
wb270 - you're right DV, if he knew scoob's e-mail, a friend would have sent an e-mail
Scooby - Yes, Tre has already made a post saying that some goodie two shoes is spoiling the fun.
Kinkster - Although it might embarrass.
FanBoyBlues - Hey Vic, Soob, Diana, Kinks, WB, Clepsy.... Did I miss anyone?
Diana the Valkyrie - Scooby was posting his email address
Scooby - Kinster, that is a very good point. I'm just explaining why I never thought "concerned friends" would show up.
wb270 - scoob, you think cops don't go looking...they love this stuff. It's alot easier than interviewing people.
Scooby - You have to dig so far to get there.
Victim - did i miss something at your board, scoob?
wb270 - they've set up a whole division at the Justice department for computer crimes.
Scooby - Yes victim, it didn't last very long. It's all gone now.
wb270 - but you're very small potatoes
Scooby - Well, it was fun while it lasted.
FanBoyBlues - Scoob, the trouble is it's very easy to kill our fun, a lot harder to build up the momentum you had
Victim - what would it be they could accuse scooby, wb?
Diana the Valkyrie - He was working on becoming bigger potatoes
wb270 - real danger is the movie folks who might be looking for folks to make an example of. Industry groups (e.g. the software publisher's association) often are the ones who make these cases for the cops, then try to get them to prosecute
Kinkster - Also, cops like having a go at internet offenders because it makes them look less stupid.
wb270 - copyright infringement, which can become a criminal offense, I believe
Scooby - Maybe people will still post. FBB I would bet the post was 99.9% harmless, maybe even a joke but it's better to be safe than sorry.
Clepsydra - Q: How many Blue Peter presenters does it take to change a lightbulb ? A: Two. One to change it, and one to turn the old one into an attractive Christmas tree decoration. A: One to make the new bulb out of an empty loo roll and sticky back plastic.
Kinkster - And also gets headlines because it's a layman's obsession, like paedophilia.
FanBoyBlues - Sure Scoob, in your place I would want to lie low too
wb270 - you're much better off being explicit about what you're doing via e-mail than here or on the message board
Diana the Valkyrie - "FBI smashes international tape copying crime lord"
FanBoyBlues - Just hope it does't leave you so low you can't pick yourself up again. If you ever need support, we're here for you buddy
Scooby - I did have some momentum didn't I?
Alexei - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:09pm)
Diana the Valkyrie - That momentum won't just disappear.
Scooby - FanBoy, this may come as a silly question but who are you? ShyGuy?
Diana the Valkyrie - Hi, Alexei
wb270 - they bust teenagers who hack into systems, and do no real harm, just for the effect
FanBoyBlues - Evening Alexei
Victim - but, wb, he did not do it for business....i mean, i doesn't make money out of it
Kinkster - Well it makes a change from "12-year-old hacker detroys Pentagon database."
FanBoyBlues - In the flesh Scoob
Scooby - Exactly, if anything I took a loss on it all.
wb270 - when did a 12-year old hacker actually destroy a database?
Scooby - Hey ShyGuy!
Victim - hi, alexei. when was this post, scoob?
Kinkster - What's the difference between Manchester United FC and the Spice Girls?
Diana the Valkyrie - MUFC is more fun?
Scooby - Victim, there were 2 or 3 of them. They were all earlier today. I had Diana take down my site and delete all the archived messages.
Kinkster - Answer: Manchester United will still have Giggs next year.
Scooby - That must be a british joke. I thought giggs was the bass player for Oasis.
Clepsydra - Q: How many US Presidents does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None, the constitution says that only Congress can screw in light bulbs, so only Congress is responsible for the dark, which is why we need a Constitutional ammendment. A: Only one. If he can handle 250000000 people a day I think he can handle screwing one extra lightbulb.
Diana the Valkyrie - Hmm, this is some local reference, I guess
wb270 - now they've got you for obstruction of justice
Diana the Valkyrie - Oh? Was there a case in progress already?
Scooby - Are you serious wb?
Scooby - Who's justice? A concerned onlookers?
wb270 - not really
Diana the Valkyrie - I@m under no obligation to keep old message boards. Like Cheryl Harris's for example.
JoanneK - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:14pm)
Victim - and what did it say, scoob...sorry if you already told this
Kinkster - It's very funny if you live in the UK and follow soccer.
Diana the Valkyrie - Hi, JK
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 5:15pm
wb270 - but if you deleted it because...
JoanneK - Hello everyone.
Kinkster - Well, quite funny.
FanBoyBlues - Hey there JK
Victim - hi, joanne
Kinkster - Hiya.
JoanneK - Diana, how do I get this Valkyrie off the left side of my screen?
wb270 - Kinkster, you must know more than I do about both Manchester United and the Spice Girls
Rhys - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:15pm)
JoanneK - FBB, are you Shy Guy?
Rhys - Hi, peoples
Diana the Valkyrie - Bleach and ammonia is good for stains
Scooby - wb, I've already posted a message saying we deleted it because of a few posts regarding copyright issues. Are you saying we should delete my post explaining why we deleted my posts?
* FanBoyBlues hands a sign around his neck, labelled 'ShyGuy'
FanBoyBlues - Evening Rhys
Victim - hi rhys
wb270 - no, but it might be wise to delete a lot of the chat archives
JoanneK - Hi, Rhys.
Kinkster - Paranoia sets in.
Rhys - Hello, All - and the Valkyrie
wb270 - I'm no lawyer, but I do try and follow various IP law issues because I deal with a lot of IP lawyers, and because it interests me
Scooby - victim, it basically said the whole paragraph you get at the beginning of every movie. It was signed by a concerned onlooker. He wasn't saying don't do it anymore, just be more discreet about it to reduce the risk of any trouble in the future.
Diana the Valkyrie - Hi, Rhys
FanBoyBlues - I think at this point there's nothing left to start. The board has gone, no new material, so they pick off easier cases (if they were ever watching anyway)
Rhys - I sense stark drama over some issue
Victim - ok, scoob, thanx
Scooby - Chat room? But how could they get in here without a password? Or am I really being silly now?
Scooby - Hi Rhys!
wb270 - I also have done some research on the copyright law beaause Ed Winik and kenstar have both threatened to sue me.
Diana the Valkyrie - Scooby's right! All we have to do is not give them a password, and ... Oh.
wb270 - what does it cost to get a password scooby?
Diana the Valkyrie - Ed Winik wrote me that letter, too.
Victim - who is ed winik?
wb270 - DV, do you think that you can tell an FBI credit card from any other credit card?
Scooby - Why would the FBI join the chatroom unless they suspected something in the first place?
FanBoyBlues - As I said earlier Scooby, now's your chance to put on your directors hat
Diana the Valkyrie - Sure I can, it says "Edgar Hoover" on it
Diana the Valkyrie - Ed "Mass Muscle" Winik
Scooby - What do you mean by that FanBoy?
wb270 - Ed Winik is Mass Muscle Ed, a delightful chap. cultured and refined and a master of the English language.
Clepsydra - Q: How many accountants does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: What kind of answer did you have in mind? A: None-just assume it's changed.
Rhys - Shit! I'd better erase the bomb plans I put up on my site
Victim - and the guy wnats to discuss transvestite stuff, diana...
FanBoyBlues - You understand a good scene better than most. If Diana is serious about getting some filming going, who better to figure what will work and what won't
Diana the Valkyrie - And *ever* so patient, tactful and polite to customers
FanBoyBlues - And without any dubbing to distract you...
Rhys - Actually it was just an improved sparkler.
* Scooby sense sarcasm from wb and Diana
wb270 - the reason you're probably safe scoob, is that there are many, many much moore flagrant cases to go after
FanBoyBlues - Sparkler Rhys, I'm suing. I took out the patent on sparklers in 1973 and....
Rhys - I used to love cigarette loads when I was a boy - I'd stuff three into a cigar
Rhys - And then get on my bike and scram
* Diana the Valkyrie has fond memories of Sodium Chlorate and sugar
Victim - yes, wb....they should REALLY go after this kid porn stuff
Diana the Valkyrie - Different department, Victim
JoanneK - Time to leave work now. Adios!
Scooby - Sorry, no kiddie porn.
Rhys - The Valkyrie and Rhys would have made a lethal pair as adolescents
Diana the Valkyrie - THat's like telling a traffic cop to investigate burglars
Diana the Valkyrie - Bye, JK
JoanneK - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:27pm)
FanBoyBlues - C Ya around JK
Scooby - Cya JK.
Victim - never enough people for pursuing this, diana
Victim - bye, joanne
Victim - i am naive, i know...
Rhys - I have the archives up, where do I read about what happened?
Scooby - You're also kind of mustard colored today...
Scooby - They're gone already Rhys.
Scooby - It was on my message board.
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 5:30pm
Victim - get your tongue off, scooby...
Rhys - Let me give you an example of how stupid this all is.
wb270 - Incidentally, scoob, if Ed Winik thinks that you're copying anyo his tapes he'll chase you to the end of the earth
Diana the Valkyrie - "Concerned Friend" suggested that Scooby was engaged in mass piracy on the Information SuperCanal
Rhys - Right now, some old lethal chemical warfare stuf is on its way to China Lake Naval Air Station.
Diana the Valkyrie - So he struck his Jolly Roger and scuppered the Good Ship Soapbox
Rhys - The US Governemnet Jerk in charge was asked where CLNASation was.
Rhys - He said, "I can't tell you that."
Scooby - Well Ed doesn't have anything to worry about.
Rhys - Well, when I was 19 I flew a plane very close to it and was chased away by tow jet fighters.
Rhys - I landed at the nearest airport, Inyokern, and was told what I had done. I was lost. My radio nav gear had failed hours before.
Clepsydra - Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time. 5:33pm
Rhys - CLNAStation is CLEARLY marked on the Los Angeles sectional chart for everyone to see. It's no secret
Rhys - So why did he say he could tell us. It's ALL bullshit!
wb270 - should have shot you down Rhys
Scooby - I'm lost.
Rhys - Thye were under orders to put me down or shoot me out of the sky.
Rhys - China Lake is a very restricted place but it is not a secret as to where it is located.
wb270 - You were in restricted air space.
Rhys - Yes. But I had been blown 50 miles south of my intended course
Rhys - I was nearly killed crossing the Whitney Range but that is another story
Rhys - It was quite a day for a young fellow.
Rhys - But the point is, the government is always threatening, and largely for no reason.
Rhys - The soapbox is gone?
wb270 - what does all this ahve to do with either copyright law or KClO3 and powdered sugar?
Scooby - Yes, basically. It's been replaced with a new message board. Empty slate.
Diana the Valkyrie - We had a big bionfire earlier today
Diana the Valkyrie - No, it was *Sodium* Chlorate, WB
FanBoyBlues - No fireworks yet though Diana
wb270 - Potassium works just as well
Rhys - I though the site was being threatened by the Feds?
Scooby - No, just a concerned onlooker. Possibly even a gag.
Rhys - I just used to make gunpowder - pounds of it.
FanBoyBlues - Just because we're paraoid Rhys doesn't mean they're not out to get us
wb270 - you know they don't have Potassium Clorate, metallic sodium, or a lot of other things in high school chemistry labs nowadays
Rhys - I once had a old chemistry prof who have out the recipe for LSD - He was 80 and didn't realise what he was doing.
wb270 - I work for the Federal Gov. and I deal a lot with guys from the Justice Dept & the NSA. They/we are out to get you.
Rhys - You never saw a class wake up like this one
Rhys - WB - yes, I know. We've lost so much and no one cares.
FanBoyBlues - Hope they're not out to get me wb, or they're way out of juridstiction
Rhys - The 4th amendment is gone.
wb270 - Oh well, ammonium nitrate is still readily available
Rhys - The 2nd is in danger.
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 5:45pm
wb270 - we get people all over the world. There is a case in ECs chambers where the US Feds are trying to prosecute a kid in wales
Rhys - Only the first survives, distorted, a tool of the leftest manipulators.
wb270 - we kidnap people in other countries and bring them to trial here
Scooby - Is this all supposed to cheer me up?
Diana the Valkyrie - Yes, but Sodium Chlorate was commonly available as weedkiller
Rhys - You see, we can justify anything if the cause is what we agree with.
Rhys - Hey, my two stories were in there!!!
wb270 - but I dont think that we kill people in other countries any longer as the Israelis do
Scooby - Not any more. Neither are victims.
wb270 - where are you fanboy?
Victim - i have them here, scoob
FanBoyBlues - UK
wb270 - well repost them Rhys
wb270 - Oh well, you have far less civil rights there than we do.
Rhys - I saw then raise the flag over Williamsburg last weekend. It was May 15, 1776. I heard the fifs and drums and there were tears in my eyes. I cheered them. But if we had lost they would be only criminals
FanBoyBlues - We're still looking at drawing up our dirst constitution
Rhys - Are you British?
Diana the Valkyrie - Second, FBB
Diana the Valkyrie - We already have our first
FanBoyBlues - What happened to the first?
wb270 - it was never written down FBB
FanBoyBlues - I didn't think we had a constitution, just a commonly accepted tradition or some such thing
Scooby - You two LIVE in the country and you don't even know this?
Rhys2 - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:52pm)
Rhys2 - My editor went nuts I had to re=enter.
wb270 - There are whold books written on the English "constitution"
Rhys2 - Are you American????
wb270 - It's a frequent subject of articles in the Economist
Rhys2 - Yes, I know you Britons have that little scrap of paper you forced old King John to sign.
Rhys2 - :)
Diana the Valkyrie - No, that isn't our constitution
Rhys2 - ........ i know
Cartman knows it all - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:56pm)
FanBoyBlues - Is our constitution another gift from Europe I missed?
Rhys2 - Bloody damme good cartman - inform us!!
Cartman knows it all - We do not have a constititution in the written sense like the US
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 5:56pm)
Cartman knows it all - What we have are institutions controlled by convention, ie custom
Rhys2 - Yes.... true. It lies in the hearts and minds of the people.
wb270 - but you do have a not inconsiderable literature on the English constitution
wb270 - hi cartman
Scooby - Eric, which is better? Cheesy Poofs or Snacky Cakes?
Cartman knows it all - The Magna Carta is another statute which is no more irrevocable than anything else
Rhys2 - A very good start. Really .
Cartman knows it all - Not so poetic Rhys, but yes wb there are a lot of books but it is very difficult
Cartman knows it all - I mean that there are huge constitutional quaetions we don't know the answer to
wb270 - and the wonderful thing is that all it takes is an act of parliment to change it
Rhys2 - This devine right of kings bullshit is really a post Roman thing in Europe.
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 6:00pm
Cartman knows it all - What I can tell you is that the US has a British Colonial Constitution in which the dead hand of King George is still visible
wb270 - Of course here, all it takes is the opinion of any 5 of 7 old men and 2 old women to change ours
Rhys2 - No. The difficulty in changing is very important. I favor that.
Cartman knows it all - We don't know how much an Act of Parliament can really do, I mean in theory it is absolute, but the Queen must sign it it is the Queen's "Majesty" that makes a bill an Act,
Cartman knows it all - The Queen on one strict level of Constitutional theory is the Executive, is the Legislature and is the Judiciary
Rhys2 - Interesting language - Act. Kings need only act.
wb270 - Did poor Charles sign the act that took his head?
Cartman knows it all - By Convention (custom) she does not legilate except by Parliament, does not operate executively except by the Prime Minister and does not judge except by the judges
Rhys2 - No, but he sure did a lot of acting prior to losing control.
Cartman knows it all - In the Colony the Governor signed the bill for the King, but generally were freer as to whether they signed or not, hello Mr President
Rhys2 - Look at what's happening in the US. The Constitution means nothing. Search and siesure of property is allowed. By convention! By acceptance.
Cartman knows it all - Charles did not that was a revolution and we just ignore it from a consitutional point of view
Rhys2 - If it's in the persuit of drugs, all laws can be violated and due process abrogated.
Cartman knows it all - Rhys I amnot sure you are right about that
Rhys2 - Property can be sold at auction without a trial
Rhys2 - I am RIGHT! It is a very sore issue with me. I seem so terrible, but it is true.
Cartman knows it all - In the Colonies any Act or Executive order Could be reversed by the King's Privy Council, hello Supreme Court
Rhys2 - I really hate to leave this one....... but I gotta go.
Cartman knows it all - bye
Rhys2 - ... alas. Bye.
Rhys2 - can we do this again?
Cartman knows it all - anytime
Clepsydra - Time is a great healer 6:09pm
Rhys2 - Excellent
Rhys2 - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:09pm)
Cartman knows it all - Anyone left
FanBoyBlues - Still here
wb270 - Rhys point is that a lot of the drug & racketeering seisures are treated as civil seisures, and the beyond a reasonable doubt standard doesn't apply
Cartman knows it all - Right got that
SinisterPete - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:10pm)
FanBoyBlues - Evening Pete
wb270 - moreover they sieze it and you have to sue to get it back, and and you effectively ahve the burden of proof
Cartman knows it all - Yes we do have seizure powers but they don't work that way, at least not as far as I know
wb270 - you'r up pretty late aren't you Cart?
Cartman knows it all - The authorities need a court order and bear the burden of proof
Cartman knows it all - No it's 10 past 11, not too late
SinisterPete - You guys DEA wannabes or somthing?
Cartman knows it all - however this is my last call before bed amd I am siting here in my night attire
wb270 - Well I think that that authirities here need to make some sort of showing before a judge, but you don't get to contest it until after the the fact
Cartman knows it all - No Sp we started out debating the constitution
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 6:15pm
FanBoyBlues - or lack of one
SinisterPete - Which one?
FanBoyBlues - I've been find out a little of how my country works. They tend not to tell you in the UK
Cartman knows it all - well WB I was in some ways surprised and some ways not to see that Lisa has taken over Ramon's in NY where has Ramon gone
wb270 - Actually, we started out before our learned counsel got here talking about scooby's copyright concerns
Cartman knows it all - Fan Boy, I had to go to Cambridge to learn, and even now I know there just isn't an esy answer, it just works that's all there is to it
wb270 - Lisa told me a year ago that she was going to own New York, and now she pretty much does
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:17pm)
wb270 - Lisa is a very ambitious, woman with a huge ego
Cartman knows it all - WB you are more learned than I am on that, I must say that I thouhgt that i theory there was a criminal probelm althought the practical risk was very small
wb270 - i think that there is a theoretical criminal problem, but there is probably a greater civil damages problem
wb270 - probably qualifies for statuatory damages too, since I'm sure the movies are registered with the copyright office
Cartman knows it all - Naw Scooby would never be sued it just isn't worth it
FanBoyBlues - No-one has yet told me what Scooby is likely to face in this awful scenario. Just how bad is it? Isn't it?
SinisterPete - AOY GAVAULT.Wheres Perry Mason when we need him?
Cartman knows it all - Innjuction maybe but that don't hurt unless you break it, it would cost more to Sue the Scoob than they would likelyt recover
wb270 - right, in ordinary tems, CM, but this is an area where some folks are trying to set examples
FanBoyBlues - If the damage is light, it isn't going to be worth the effort of chasing him
Clepsydra - Q: How many Spinks handlers does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Five. 1 to actually screw in the light bulb, 1 to carry him out of the ring, 1 to tell him who put the lights out, 2 to count the money, and it all only takes 91 seconds!
wb270 - we try and throw the book at 12 year olds for hacking onto computers, just to set an example sometimes
Clepsydra - When I find myself in times of trouble, 6:20pm
FanBoyBlues - Court's playing russian roulette? You never know which case is loaded?
wb270 - statuatory damages don't require any actual damages
SinisterPete - Wow! You guys are smart!
Scooby - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:21pm)
Scooby - I'M A FREAK!!!
FanBoyBlues - Yes Scoob, you look all made out of rubber tonight
FanBoyBlues - Bouncing in and out like that...
Cartman knows it all - Yeah but do you think t hat scoobs is the one they are after? WB I heard of a case where the US air force was behind a prosecution in this country of a hacker he found evidence of UFO's the lot
wb270 - Scoob's only real danger, I believe, is the fairly remote possibility that somebody might think that he would make a good example or test case
FanBoyBlues - Or a crusading journalist looking for circulation?
wb270 - likely wouldn't be the cops, maybe one of these IP rights protection organizations
Scooby - But that won't happen cuz those days is over. ex post facto. Tapes? What tapes?
Cartman knows it all - My lawyers gut feeling is that nobody is likely to give a damn, at least not up to now, if things progressed then maybe but I don't see it.
FanBoyBlues - Sex stories always sell
Scooby - Yes, but mixed fighting does not sell!!!
Scooby - Hollywus is living proof of that!
wb270 - I think you're right Cartman, but it might be smart to be a little more descrete in the future
FanBoyBlues - You aint seen it in the tabloids yet Scoob, I'll bet we wouldn't recognise it
Scooby - The attorneys I've talked to feel the same way. It's just too small potatoes to pursue.
wb270 - don't think scooby needs to stop, just be a little bit discrete
Scooby - That's exactly what will happen wb. Very discreet.
Cartman knows it all - Hey who need attorneys when you have Counsel
wb270 - certainly too small for damages, scooby
Scooby - Well I'm starting to get e-mails of outrage now.
Scooby - Someone just told me that Diana and I over reacted by taking down the soapbox. Opinions?
Cartman knows it all - bet you've amused a few Attorneys today
Cartman knows it all - Play it safe
wb270 - actually, i expect tomebody to try to make a test case about some of the pics on usenet
FanBoyBlues - I think you have to do what you feel comfartable with Scoob. It's your peace of mind
Diana the Valkyrie - People will always offer to hold your coat while you fight
SinisterPete - Lawyers are scum.Especially divorce ones.
FanBoyBlues - Who would they sue wb?
Cartman knows it all - I agree Sinister Pete
Scooby - I agree. I feel very comfortable about what I did.
Cartman knows it all - I feel comfortable because I have removed my underwear
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 6:30pm
Scooby - I wondered what that smell was.
Diana the Valkyrie - If someone thinks you should go ahead, set up a Scooby Defence fund, and when it reaches $100, you're looking good.
wb270 - some folks would like a case against the people who operate USENET servers, on some kind of vicarious liability case
Cartman knows it all - I am wearing a robe tho
Diana the Valkyrie - I'd prefer a case against the telco, on the same basis
wb270 - Hell $100 wouldn't buy an hour of Cartman's time
Clepsydra - Tempus fugit 6:31pm
Diana the Valkyrie - wb, it won't reach $100
Cartman knows it all - Hell it wouldn't buy me lunch
wb270 - In these cases, though, you want to pick a weak defendent (e.g. paperback software) first, so you can get an easy win and set a precident. Telcos are never weak defendents
Diana the Valkyrie - Anyway, you couldn't act in this one, Cartman
Scooby - Gotta go folks. Cya later!!
Cartman knows it all - Why not Ill be Ny qualified soon
Scooby - Pray for me.
wb270 - when do you take the NY bar exam Cartman?
FanBoyBlues - G'night Scoob
Scooby - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:33pm)
Diana the Valkyrie - You'd be a witness in the case, is why
wb270 - Cya scooby
Cartman knows it all - July
Cartman knows it all - I cpould still act just not appear
wb270 - Think I'm gonna go up to NY this weekend myself. haven't been there in years
Cartman knows it all - meeting Lisa?
wb270 - I hope to
Cartman knows it all - Just do us both a favour and meet NIA
wb270 - I'm afraid of Nia
Cartman knows it all - and see if you can get pics on all the girls she has them up in the studio
Cartman knows it all - Tina is good too
FanBoyBlues - Afraid?!
wb270 - which girls, the GP girls
Cartman knows it all - Wb NIA is just awesome, you'll regret it if you don't see her now
wb270 - how many girls can I see in24 hours?
Clepsydra - Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time. 6:37pm
wb270 - Is NIA gonna disappear?
FanBoyBlues - That's a rhetorical question, right?
Cartman knows it all - Ziggy looks awesome too but I have never met her, wb 24 hrs is a long time, get a discount off Lisa
Clepsydra - I sat on a rug, biding my time, drinking her wine. 6:38pm
sub - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:38pm)
Cartman knows it all - Thing is if you go to Lisa you get to see all the girls in the same place
FanBoyBlues - Hi there sub
wb270 - I don't think Lisa will charge me herself, but I don't know that she can get me any freebies with Ziggy.
Cartman knows it all - WB There are a shed load of pics in the cabana, just there for teh taking
sub - greetings, Mighty Diana. hi guys
wb270 - but most of them aren'
wb270 - aren't there all the time
Clepsydra - Tick tock tick tock 6:39pm
Diana the Valkyrie - Hi, sub
Cartman knows it all - Hey Sub
wb270 - hi sub
Cartman knows it all - WB it is your Moral Duty to try out all the girls
wb270 - It's Lisa I want to get a picture of.
Cartman knows it all - Just do the best you can ,.. we can expect no more than that))
wb270 - Cartman, I'm not a wealthy lawyer. and about 1 hard match is all I can take a day
Cartman knows it all - WB nobody is a wealthy lawyer after they have met lisa
wb270 - isn't that the truth
wb270 - but I do want to find out if she is half as tough as she claims to be
Cartman knows it all - Lisa is very tough
Cartman knows it all - but so was Nia and Nia is 1/3 of the size, she is sooo gorgeous too
Cartman knows it all - you have got to try her
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 6:45pm
Cartman knows it all - well now it is bedtime
Clepsydra - Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time. 6:45pm
FanBoyBlues - 'Night Cartman
sub - 'night, Cartman
Cartman knows it all - G night
wb270 - I've gotta go too, see you all later. Bye cartman and everybody
sub - cya wb
FanBoyBlues - 'Night wb
wb270 - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:48pm)
* FanBoyBlues looks around to see who's left
SinisterPete - Yuk yuk
FanBoyBlues - Hey Pete, now we've got all this legal stuff out the way, what you wanna talk about?
daffy - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:50pm)
FanBoyBlues - Hey Daffy
sub - hi daffy
FanBoyBlues - Cool colour, I must try it sometime...
Clepsydra - I'm just ticking along 6:50pm
SinisterPete - Female wrestlers crushing there victims.You start.
daffy - who's this Lisa cartman is talking about?
FanBoyBlues - Lisa Houston?
daffy - hi all what's the subject?
FanBoyBlues - Pete's just nominated, you're up!
SinisterPete - How to fuck a duck
daffy - never heard of her-what wrestlers do you guys recommend?
FanBoyBlues - I've only wrestled once, but will recommend Sonia Fernandez to anyone who'll listen
* sub SandyFan
Diana the Valkyrie - Sub has a new love. Dom's forgotten.
daffy - Tell me about it,FanBoyBlues
SinisterPete - Queen Kong
sub - i recommend Sandy Bouwman, daffy. She's the greatest
daffy - she American,Sub?
FanBoyBlues - I wrote it up, and Diana put it on bookshelf 4 I think....
SinisterPete - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:56pm)
sub - Dom is hardly forgotten, Lovely Diana. She just hasn't been around much
FanBoyBlues - but she was WAY too strong and skilled for me
daffy - you the room comedian,Pete?
FanBoyBlues - I was 8" taller, and probably 80lbs heavier
sub - Sandy is from Florida, daffy
daffy - too far away for me ,Sub
FanBoyBlues - And she has the cutest smile :¬)
FanBoyBlues - Sonia is doing a tour of the States right now, I have to wait till the end of May for round 2
sub - by the way, Beautiful Diana, i just emailed my review of my session with Sandy to You
sub - where are you, daffy?
* FanBoyBlues is really looking forward to getting to read THAT
daffy - uk
greenroads - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 6:59pm)
FanBoyBlues - In that case Daffy, join the queue when Sonia gets back. You won't regret it
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 7:00pm
* FanBoyBlues is a Sonia addift!
* FanBoyBlues can't spell addict either.
daffy - any news on Nicole v the Pitbull,Diana?
greenroads - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 7:00pm)
sub - Sandy is planning a trip to Paris and Milan in August. hi GR
greenroads - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 7:00pm)
daffy - is she expensive?
FanBoyBlues - Hey there gr
greenroads - hello all
daffy - hi!
FanBoyBlues - Funny, I can talk about wrestling women easily, but money always embarresses me. Too British I guess
sub - http://www.heatwave.net
FanBoyBlues - But Sonia was definitely worth it.
sub - try that sometime, daffy. it's Sandy's web site
Clepsydra - Time for tea 7:04pm
FanBoyBlues - I went rally driving the month before, that helps put things in perspective
FanBoyBlues - Guess which was more fun?
greenroads - hey, Diana, just a quick thought, I was going to e-mail you, but since you're on here, how about putting a board about vascularity over at the Club House? Just a thought..
daffy - cheers.sub...you on commission?!
FanBoyBlues - Worse, he's in love!
sub - no, daffy. Fan's got it right
daffy - like you with Sonia!?
FanBoyBlues - Mind you, having seen Sandy in the chat room, he's got a point!
FanBoyBlues - Sonia makes a big impact, in more ways than one....
Diana the Valkyrie - Do you think there's enough to discuss?
FanBoyBlues - You ever wrestled Daffy, or looking for your first match?
daffy - first time so I'm looking for the right one
Clepsydra - Time is of the essence 7:09pm
FanBoyBlues - Sonia is a lot of fun, and enjoys it too. I chatted with her by Email a little as well, so we both were looking forward to it. She gauged what I was after very well
FanBoyBlues - Better than I did in fact....
greenroads - Oh, I don't know, I would just like to meet some people with the same fetish
FanBoyBlues - You'll find at least 3 accounts of wrestling Sonia on the 4th bookshelf, and probably 2 of Sandy fairly soon
sub - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 7:14pm)
daffy - bye guys
daffy - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 7:14pm)
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 7:15pm
FanBoyBlues - wb sub
sub - cya daffy
sub - thanks, Fan
* FanBoyBlues calms down again. Bad case of Sonia on the brain
sub - easy there, Fan
Diana the Valkyrie - Sub has a similar problem
FanBoyBlues - I guess Sonia is a least local for me, when She's in the country. How far is Sandy from you sub?
FanBoyBlues - now look what you've got me doing sub, I'm capitalising
sub - dunno exactly, Fan. 1500 miles, maybe
FanBoyBlues - Ouch! Our whole country isn't that long
sub - yeah, it would be a long walk
FanBoyBlues - Yes sub, I'd at least invest in a bicycle
Hercules - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 7:21pm)
FanBoyBlues - Hey there, Prince of Power
sub - hi Herc. even in the backwards US we have airplanes, Fan
Hercules - greetings from olympus!
Hercules - I'm looking for fair haired nymphs,anyone see any.
sub - no nymphs around here lately, Herc
Diana the Valkyrie - Only us shepherdesses
Hercules - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 7:26pm)
sub - hmm. Herc seemed a bit single-minded
FanBoyBlues - So when do we get subs write up Diana? Huh? Huh?
sub - he's probably afraid of Valkyries
Diana the Valkyrie - I told him I was a sherperdess, do you think he saw through my ruse?
FanBoyBlues - He's got a point. THey are an awesome sight until you get to know them a little
FanBoyBlues - Perhaps the name gave you away?
sub - could have been the name that gave You away, Mighty Diana
TomNine - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 7:29pm)
Diana the Valkyrie - No, that would require him to read it.
sub - hi T9
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 7:30pm
Diana the Valkyrie - Hi, T9
TomNine - Hello Mighty Diana, Faithful sub, British FBB.
FanBoyBlues - Hey T9
TomNine - I hope everybody isn't waiting for me to say something!
sub - actually, T9, it couldn't hurt
FanBoyBlues - I'm sure it wasn't my turn....
TomNine - Um... How about that weather?
sub - we've been having tornados this week
FanBoyBlues - Too much of it around right now Tom
FanBoyBlues - Actually, I better go. 1/2 past midnight already. See y'all around
TomNine - Damn that el nino!
TomNine - See ya FBB.
FanBoyBlues - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 7:39pm)
sub - cya Fan
TomNine - sub, hear from Sandy lately?
sub - yes, T9. i just got an email from Her
sub - that's why i was slow to respond-i was reading it
TomNine - Are you planning your next vacation around her schedule?
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong 7:45pm
sub - certainly, T9. i wish i could go to San Diego, but i can't get away from work that soon
TomNine - Has she put another trip to STL on her itinerary?
sub - not yet, T9
TomNine - If you could go to San Diego would you meet with other ladies, or remain loyal to Sandy?
sub - i would love to meet some of the other Women, but i would only 'meet with' Sandy
TomNine - I'm sure she appreciates your fidelity.
sub - actually, She says i should try a session with someone else, to compare
sub - She's pretty confident, huh?
TomNine - Did she recommend someone in particular?
sub - no She didn't
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung; Bing Bong, Bang Bung BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! BONG! 8:00pm
TomNine - Does she have a special set-up in Florida, like a home dungeon or anything?
Blu - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 8:02pm)
sub - i don't think She even does sessions in Florida, T9. i'm so stupid i forgot to ask.
Blu - hi guys
sub - hi Blu
Blu - Well than you can do sessions with me,:)
TomNine - Hello, Blu!
sub - thanks for the offer, Blu, but i'll pass
TomNine - sub, looking at Sandy's schedule it looks like she spends ALL her free time on the road.
Clepsydra - Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana 8:04pm
Blu - want a great session ?..........try Evil Kitty that is one hot chick!
sub - Evil Kitty does look like a lot of fun
TomNine - sub, you should see Unique Leigh just to support the hometown girl.
sub - i might, T9, but not right away
Blu - She has a great website nudes ad all and her slaves are women that are very beautiful too. She also has some nice dungions photos too
Blu - Evil is in Paris now
Blu - well guys I guess you want to talk alone, sorry for bothering you
Blu - logged off. --- (Thu Apr 16 8:11pm)
TomNine - Blu, do you usually travel with Nicole when she goes someplace for sessions?
TomNine - oops, too late.
sub - sorry, Blu. cya later
TomNine - Tornadoes, huh? ... :-)
Clepsydra - Ding Dong 8:15pm
sub - yes, T9. none right near me, but some buildings were ruined in the neighborhood where HBP and i had dinner
TomNine - Here. the weather could not be better. In the end, we'll be paying for it I'm sure.
sub - T9, i sent in my 'Sandy review' but i don't know if Diana has gotten to it yet
TomNine - I look forward to reading it. Did Sandy see it?
sub - yes, Sandy gave Her 'ok'
TomNine - I'm sure she was very pleased by it. I bet you don't have anything negative to say about her!
sub - that's a bet you'd win, T9
sub lover - logged on. --- (Thu Apr 16 8:27pm)
sub lover - XXOO
TomNine - I'm glad she pushed your buttons, sub.
sub - greetings, Beautiful One
sub lover - Two of my favorite guys!!
TomNine - Uh-oh... Sandy?
sub lover - Greetings. little slow tonight?
sub lover - T-9 you are right
TomNine - Not slow anymore!
sub lover - T-9 who will you see next?
Clepsydra - Ding Dong, Dang Dung 8:30pm
sub - we were just talking about You, Magnificent Sandy. imagine that!
TomNine - Nobody else can get away with that color!
sub lover - No I do not have a set up here in Florida I do not like to do sessions here at my home
sub lover - Pretty in Pink
sub lover - The cat may eat my vicitms when I am finished
sub - Gorgeous in anything
sub lover - I prefer Black Lingerie
sub lover - So what happened to Tom?
sub - i think he's still here
sub lover - With very high heels, I have a million of them
TomNine - Just basking in your greatness!
sub - lucky heels